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  • ivanildotrindade 11:48 am on October 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: , camille paglia, Des Moines Register, Miami Herald, Mitt Romney, Romney, Washington   

    Don’t Take Mine or Camille Paglia’s Words for it… 

    Okay, my “fascination” with Ms. Paglia got the best of me. My regular readers know me well enough to know that my voice is only vox populi and not vox dei. But for the sake of those who visit me here only occasionally, and thanks to my dialogue with “Eric” here, I want to share the following with you:

    If you want to check a “serious” source (as opposed to “beloved” Camille…) that once supported President Obama and is now leaving his camp, I encourage you to read the editorial page from the Des Moines Register, an Iowan newspaper that has endorsed Democratic Candidates since 1976 and is now calling Romney “the stronger candidate.” For the opposite view, go to the Miami Herald editorial, which raises serious questions about Governor Romney’s contradictory statements as a harbinger of bad things to come.  And for a former Republican Governor who now endorses President Obama, go here. Study the issues, make your own judgement and always vote your values and convictions. And yes, pray for your President and all those in authority (and I don’t mean pray for him to fail!).

    I am praying for this country and its future. Especially for God to empower those who call themselves followers of Christ to reach out with compassion to a world in desperate need of hope, and especially those whose voices have been silenced and dreams have been shattered by the political noise in Washington. Leaders cannot make this happen, but they can certainly point the way, by words and deeds.

    Ivanildo C. Trindade

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    • Harold G. Stoltzfus 7:11 pm on October 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Ivanildo:

      How do you have time to write an fascinating and interesting blog like this and get ready to move to Pennsylvania at the same time!? Having said this, I keep turning to see what’s going on in your Brazilian mind and can also live/speak in Portugese. When I was teaching an ABF at Wooster Grace, I overheard an adult participant/student say, “Well, I guess I’ll go hear what Stoltzfus has to say!”

      A Proverb says, “Iron sharpens iron,” so I try to keep surrounding myself with other irons. I’m amazed to observe your interest in the voting process as a “green card” person from Brazil. But then as a Christian our kingdom is not of this world rather we belong to the kingdom of heaven/God. Therein, is our mutuality as brothers!

      I have never heard of Camille, but then no doubt she has not ever heard of “yours truly.” I don’t know anything about Iowa, except that my father went there to buy horses and mules in the fifties. He shipped them to Lancaster, Pennsylvania by rail and in the sixties by truck. A lot of presidents have risen and fallen since then.

      Keep writing my friend, keep writing! You have good things to say and challenge/teach us and to keep us on an even keel.

      • ivanildotrindade 8:14 pm on October 31, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        Haarold. thanks for your comments. there are subjects that arrest u and others that need to be arrested by u. i am fascinated by election and politics, even if skeptical that any good thing may come out of nazareth, i mean, washington… a big part of my interest comes from growing up under a very oppressive military dictatorship for 20 years. i didn’t get to vote for the first time until i was over 30. u have some interesting stories about horses and trains. i would rather hear them than camille’s often salvador dali-esque visions. remember: we r all aliens, looking for a better country, whether we carry a card or not.

  • ivanildotrindade 11:28 pm on October 29, 2012 Permalink | Reply
    Tags: art and mediocrity, , camille paglia, Contemporary art, Feminism, modern art, stalin, statism   

    Shock: Camille Paglia Abandons Obama 

    Very few evangelicals pay any attention or even know who Camille Paglia is. First, she is a feminist, a different kind of feminist but one nonetheless. Second, she is openly Lesbian. Thirdly, she is an atheist. Fourth, she has been an outspoken voice for liberal ideas. So you would think that people like me would stay away from Camille and her rantings.

    Not so fast. I have always paid attention to Camille. First, because she is an art’s professor. As a former art professor myself, I sympathize with her views to see art take its deserved place in our society. Secondly, when it comes to her views about art, I find myself in agreement with her in a variety of topics, not the least of which the notion that so-called “shock art” has outlived its usefulness and modern art as we know it today is generally in the hands of fools. Thirdly, though a feminist, Camille has challenged some of the basic premises of radical feminism and I just love the way she makes some people mad.

    But never in a million years I imagined that Camille could ever be capable of delivering the most scathing indictment against the Obama administration as she did recently in an interview for an online T.V. channel. You may see the entire interview here. Most of it is about her new book and the place of art in America. But if you fast forward to about minute marker 11:24, she starts talking about why she is not voting for Barak Obama this time around. Now, the reasons she gives are not what most would expect, but my is she provocative!

    Having lived under the threat of communism for about 20 years in Brazil, I know what “statism” is. Most kids nowadays have no idea what that word means. Obviously, comparing Obama’s methods with Stalin’s is way off the mark, but there is no question that some signs of attempt at government controls are evident everywhere. Camille once again opens her generous mouth and paints a picture of apocalyptic doom. Either she is totally crazy or the most courageous leftist that ever was.

    Regardless, President Obama is lucky this aired only on an obscure Internet channel.

    Ivanildo C. Trindade

     
    • Eric 12:21 pm on October 30, 2012 Permalink | Reply

      Pastor Trindade,

      Though I am sure your post is well-intentioned, I think it omits some important details and could prove misleading to your readers. First, it is not really accurate to say that Paglia “has been an outspoken voice for liberal ideas.” It would be better to say that she has been an outspoken voice for libertarian ideas, since her support for socially liberal policies is founded in her belief that government should not meddle in people’s lives. It is also important to note that she is widely recognized as a professional contrarian. She launches criticisms indiscriminately – often wildly – and was once famous for her attacks on Bill Clinton. Her comments on President Obama are therefore not shocking specifically because she deals in shock for a living.

      Also, you don’t quite do PJ Media justice to call it “an obscure Internet channel.” It is actually a hard-right political blog, home to a lot of writers – including this segment’s Glenn Reynolds – who are far more representative of fringe voices than of the American mainstream. It is not surprising that Paglia would get an audience on this site, because she is a fringe creature as well – though not always the same exact part of the fringe. I don’t know that she is crazy, but I am confident that she is neither courageous nor (strictly speaking) leftist. Far from “scathing,” each element of her rant may be met with a very casual rebuttal.

      I wasn’t sure whether I would post a response to this or not, but I think it’s appropriate since many Evangelicals, myself included, have become increasingly troubled by the Church’s right-ward shift. It’s not news to say that, I know, but it makes me uncomfortable when clergymen support – or seem to support – the paranoia that dominates conservative politics in the age of Obama. I thank you for noting that Paglia’s invocation of Stalin is “way off the mark” and that hers is a vision of “apocalyptic doom.” But I would also suggest that these should disqualify her from a link on your blog.

      Thanks,

      Eric

      • ivanildotrindade 5:51 pm on October 30, 2012 Permalink | Reply

        thanks, eric. your response is well reasoned and i am glad to give you voice here. we can split the proverbial semantics hairs. i have read most of the stuff ms. paglia has written over a 20 year span and i would say that she is clearly on the left when it comes to most issues, even if she comes at them from an entirely different perspective compared to a typical liberal voice. her voice is at times disturbing, i am not going to deny it, but that is perhaps what makes it entertaining. also, when u watch the video, u will see that she refers to hersef as a “liberal.” i am taking her word for it. ms. paglia is not exactly “fringe” from the perspective of her huge following in some sectors of academia. i think she represents the views of a lot of people who are adept at seeing enemies coming at them from the four corners of the earth. they are still fighting an ideological war that seems to have been abandoned by all sides a long time ago.

        yes, PJ Media is indeed composed of a large pool of libertarians and conservative bloggers but PJTV.com, PJ Media’s subscription-only t.v. channel is rather puny and in fact the video i linked on my blog appeared on instapundit, which is even a smaller affiliate of PJ Media. if u ask around, almost nobody will recognize any of these names. and now ms. paglia finds her voice in an even more insignificant blog… my own! i think it is poetic justice.

        anyway, you r right: “shock” is not the right word here, rather, the emphasis should be on the fact that ms. paglia, by her own admission, was an enthusiastic obama supporter in 2008 and has now changed her mind. the reasons she gives as to why she changed her mind, though, are none that i would give, but i chose to refer to her interview here because the larger point of the interview, i think, is this perception that there r some elements in washington who see government as being the solution for everything, which is something i think is patently wrong.

        and by the way, u r right about elements in the evangelical church fighting cultural wars that serve no purpose except erecting walls between people and the God who loves them. i decry that too. thanks for your response.

        • Eric 6:19 am on October 31, 2012 Permalink

          Thank you for your response. I think it contains some more hairs to split, but that was honestly never my intention. I read your initial post to be saying essentially, “Look, even Obama’s most liberal supporters are turning against him!” and I simply wanted to amend that a bit, noting that the figures and the venue present a very unusual and unrepresentative case.

          I think my larger point may still stand, and in fact may even have been reinforced by your follow-up. You cite “this perception” that some in Washington think “government” is the answer to everything, and state your opposition. Fair enough. But the context implies that you are referring to Obama, and he has been very clear that he does not think this way. In fact, I don’t know that there is a single politician in the United States who would defend this position. Rather, what we have here is a partisan attack line – a *perception* that has been carefully developed and maintained by one political party for use against another. When it appears in campaign ads, you can shrug it off as politics as usual. But when it’s taken up by religious leaders – whether in the pulpit or the blog-space – the perception gets a sort of divine stamp-of-approval, transforming shepherds into party surrogates in the process. That is my concern, and I think it’s an urgent one. Thanks again.

        • ivanildotrindade 11:24 am on October 31, 2012 Permalink

          thanks, eric. i am loving having this conversation with you here only because it is different from my usual routine with this blog. a little context: my readership is made up of three small groups: a) my faithful readers, a small group of people, most of whom get my posts via email and thus have that (email) as their main means of communication with me; b) another small group of regulars who check me online. i know they are catholics, hindus, buddhists, atheists, christians, baha’is, muslisms, etc. i know because i have heard from them from time to time and also because i can track on a global map offered by wordpress where they are clicking from;c) the occasional “checker,” which is composed of the curious and passersby. i write some of the catchy titles for them :).

          my readers know that i am not overtly “religious” or overtly “political” here. in other words, this is not “the reverend trindade blog.” obviously, i try to be clear about where i stand (if at all possible), but i trust my readers to formulate their own opinions, even when the blogger might be a little off or slightly misinformed. the people who read my rambling thoughts most often here would laugh at the thought that my ideas somehow could carry even a semblance of “divine stamp-of-approval.” they know better than that. and i just want to say it to all the other passersby out there — i trust u to know better than that too!

          that said, two observations about your last comment: a) “I read your initial post to be saying essentially, ‘Look, even Obama’s most liberal supporters are turning against him!'” Your interpretation and you are entitled to it; b) “But the context implies that you are referring to Obama…” Again that is how you are interpreting it.

          also, i agree with you 100% that a pulpit or a church is not the place to endorse political parties or candidates of any stripe. actually, the IRS has clear rules about that. i am just going to assume that u weren’t talking about that possibility as being true about me, and if u did, i will just attribute that to the fact that u don’t know me and that u r sensitive about this particular issue, which is very encouraging to know. i guarantee u that if u would ever have a chance to see how i conduct myself in the context of a local church u would have no reason for concern.

          finally, again for the sake of the passersby, if you want to check a “serious” source (as opposed to beloved camille…) that once endorsed obama and is now leaving his camp, i encourage you to read the editorial page from the Des Moines Register, an Iowan newspaper that has endorsed Democratic Candidates since 1976: http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20121027/OPINION03/121026026. For the opposite view, go to the Miami Herald editorial which raises serious questions about Romney’s contradictory statements: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/10/26/3068819/obama-for-president.html as a harbinger of bad things to come. i posted these on my FB page and encouraged people to make their own judgement. and always, vote your values and convictions and pray for your president and all those in authority. i think i am going to post this here as well. thanks again, eric.

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